BTW interested in how something like Girl Geek Dinners fits into the model then?

I’m interested that this grouping has caused so much consternation and is seen as being so divisive, when I see it as a positive, empowering thing for women.

Why is it any different to womens business networks or other similar groupings?

While women still get paid less than men for the same work, then gender is still an issue and not talking about it is not going to change things. But asking questions about it and working with both women and men for change might.

We have a lot in common Unfortunately for society in general and you in particular, the sentence “If I were a man my space would be a given” is still true. In my case, its a virtual space, but the point is still valid.

I don’t believe that comparing what men and women accomplish should make allowance for the unequal conditions (in general) in which that work is done. After all we are after ‘results’ (whatever we define those to be – a painting, a poem, a computer program, a completed house, etc)).

HOWEVER, it does need to be recognised that innate talents come in all shapes and sizes (and BTW genders). In a formal sense, I’m wasting resources to employ someone of gender x, who is a 90% fit to the job requirements, versus someone of gender Y who is a 95% fit. One issue is that a lot of us (male AND female) have become so used to the world as it is that sub consciously we write the job description for a male dominated world anyway (and that’s not counting those who STILL do that on purpose).

I would go so far as to say that corporations that discriminate in any form (except in favor of excellence) are failing their stake holders – in the case of corporations, this would include shareholders.

(and in Australia, this could impact your Superannuation, so you get THAT both ways, but thats another story)

Sorry for wasting space with a bit of a disjointed ramble (done quickly during a late lunch!!), with (probably) not much point. Just saying there IS still a problem with gender discrimination – overtly or not – and that some of us guys recognise it as well.

I’m not sure where you here the rumours that the Social Media Women group were trashed at #DigiCitz however I heard nor saw no such thing.

And if you are willing to publicly call out our event like that then you should at least have the common courtesy to name and shame these bullies especially when you have basically labelled our event ‘poisonous’.

Consider for a moment if both groups had come together? And then doubled in size next time and the time after?

Incidentally the history of Mambo/Joomla shows forking in open source developement and it’s one reason why World of Warcraft is successful – the fracture lines of Alliance vs Horde, Guilds, PickUpGroups are built in subgroup technologies.

Incidentally I heard that a number of women, myself included, were trashed by a couple of bullies at digicit. While I don’t care if it’s gender based or not (though I suspect it is), I can absolutely understand why women would want to stay away from that poison. We go where we share value systems…

Ya know how you got all those hormones n shit flowing through you making you all irrational and emotional? That’s not blokes’ fault.

Harden up and show us ya tits!